Character Complaint - RP - Mayfox

[Sylas]

Ill be telling him to cut the shit and stop validhunting. Security on RP is meant to maintain peace and stability, not bother literally anyone who has the potential of breaking a regulation.

As reassuring as it is to have gotten such a timely response, I worry that you're totally glossing over how his obnoxiousness has gotten to the point where people don't want to play when he's around. It's all very well telling him to stop validhunting, but that doesn't deal with the fact that he's utterly insufferable to the point where it's become an OOC issue.

Mayfox isnt a dick themselves, and I dont really see an issue with their quirks. I, personally, agree that people need to get a thicker skin when it comes to the stuck up frenchman attitude. They arent doing so maliciously from what I'd observed from them, and I can understand their response when people tell them to cut that shit out.

Another thought I had and forgot to put to words, is I noticed people were complaining about their behavior towards subordinates.
Honestly get over it, if theyre bossing you around and theyre your *boss*, you dont really have much to complain about unless theyre bossing you around to do unreasonable shit, like stuff that isnt in yur job description. Like ordering a detective to perform an arrest.
This example isnt against the server rules, but it is a breach of employee rights, which can be escalated with an IAA.

If youre, say, an engineer and they bark orders at you to do something for him, you're well within your rights to tell him to fuck off.

Tl;dr, its pretty ic for the most part. Them using their position in security to validhunt people after or during their jobs, however, isnt okay.

[InfinitelyThinRectanges]

...Aaaaaaaaaand there it is. Never again claim that all we have to do is make a forum complaint and our concerns will be listened to, because you've just demonstrated how they'll instead be totally and utterly brushed off based on how you personally don't have an issue with it. Exactly this kind of reaction is why we accuse the staff of doing nothing about people that make other player's experiences worse.

You're literally not doing anything.

I'm glad you don't have a problem with their attitude. Cool beans! Plenty of other people clearly do, and your rank doesn't exist to allow you to make yourself happy, does it?

If someone manages to alienate almost their entire environment barring maybe one or two people who are firebrands themselves, surely it's not unfair to suggest they either moderate themselves for this environment or seek a more suitable one, even if it's just ensuring they can't take authority roles?

[Skycave1]

I personally got nothing against Akram, while yes my character reacts differently to each intent Akram shows..That isn't exactly my problem. I feel that the discontent comes from the character coming off like a 'meme' and(or) a bit more sexually open and expressing to put it out there. He's a pink Tajaran that speaks french and tries to be fabulous.. I could sum Gino up and explain the reasons why a character with a really obtuse niche isn't the best for a head role. I'm not speaking in the case of kinks, some people enjoy a different flavor of general interaction.

As for the Obtuse niche remark, I'll bring Gino up again. Gino's an Italian chef who enjoys making cheap Italian food for the people. It's a simple niche, and not one that would make sense in a command role (on RP). I wouldn't shove an over-zealous Italian chef into a command position, and while yes a majority of what Akram does is clever and enjoyable to the right mindset of people. I could understand where all the dislike is. He can be a bit more on the 'My way or the Highway' mindset, and that's entirely fine in an IC position, even if he gets physical with people who don't want it. if you're uncomfortable with that, just inform them Looc or play it off in character. I have to partially agree with Sylas on the IC matter, but I do disagree with a bit of their response in their liking to Akram.

Everyone varies in their opinion on characters. Some characters/players are loved, some players are loved while their characters are hated.. That whole sha-bang. While Sylas may not have an issue with per say the Player or Character of Akram, others might give off a different vibe, and resonate poorly.

A final remark is, I ain't against Akram, nor am I for him exactly. I do enjoy the character, but if people have issues, I can see where it comes from.

I'm not comparing Akram to Gino, I'm only giving an example to putting a character that feels like a meme into a command role may cause problems.

[Sylas]

...Aaaaaaaaaand there it is. Never again claim that all we have to do is make a forum complaint and our concerns will be listened to, because you've just demonstrated how they'll instead be totally and utterly brushed off based on how you personally don't have an issue with it. Exactly this kind of reaction is why we accuse the staff of doing nothing about people that make other player's experiences worse.

You're literally not doing anything.

I'm glad you don't have a problem with their attitude. Cool beans! Plenty of other people clearly do, and your rank doesn't exist to allow you to make yourself happy, does it?

If someone manages to alienate almost their entire environment barring maybe one or two people who are firebrands themselves, surely it's not unfair to suggest they either moderate themselves for this environment or seek a more suitable one, even if it's just ensuring they can't take authority roles?

So because I didnt 100% agree with you, youre saying I havent done anything?

Why dont you stop and re-think your train of thought there. Maybe thats why staff are usually slow to respond, because of that kind of response right there.

Get off your high horse. We dont have to disclose everything we say to the people you feel wronged you.

Quick edit:
What you're also doing is trying to push to have someone prosecuted because you dont like them. Theyve been spoken to about what they've done wrong that ***is*** against our rules, but they arent going to be punished because you dont like their character's quirks.

[Vincent Airin]

Alright, gonna put a foot down and say this outright, this is a complaint about a character unrelated to the two of you. One Thin, cut the high road admin bad bullshit and hate flinging, two, Sylas, just chill and leave it be for now.

You're complaining about a character being what you describe as toxic bad and shitty, yes it gets us to tell them to dial back bad behavior, but that's all there can really be done about the issue if a player is NOT BREAKING SERVER RULES OTHERWISE.

You are both arguing over character interactions here when the underlying "nothing gets done reeeeeeeee" stems from the blatant fact that as staff we don't magically get to choose who's characters we do and don't like and boot the player we don't like. Doing so is how you get thrown out of administration. At the same time you folks are more than welcome to leave your complaints and direct the person you're complaining about to this forum page in hopes that they'll improve. Staff are not a cudgel because your feelings are hurt, staff are not some enemy to rally against because they don't share your opinions, players are not the enemy of staff because they don't share your opinions as well.

Now settle it down people or this thread will be locked.

[kevinz000]

I've asked Mayfox to come here and speak about the allegations and accusations.
It seems silly to be debating over a player or their character without them being here.

[AWingedHussar]

Like I've said, I don't think they're breaking any rules, but I do believe they're going out of their way to piss people off. I personally love IC drama and the such, but Akram as a character is so blatantly annoying that I can't stand him, imo security is literally unplayable with him as the Commander, I'd rather sit out a game or play off-duty than have to deal with him. And I think the big issue here is that as a head, it's pretty hard to stay out of their influence, and I'd reckon that a majority of players have negative opinion toward him, he just adds a ton of toxicity to the server, which again isn't against the rules but it just makes playing the game much more unenjoyable.

[raiq]

Gonna go ahead and input this...

Jade you've barely been around to make heavy judgement, or notice their antics. I advanced who /admin who literally every 5-10 minutes just to see who's around. You've not had to IC personally deal with them on a near consistent basis, so I'd really like to have the input of admins who've seen this for the past two months regularly. Namely people like Crashinator08, or Kered2, or other admins that have taken the complaints and seen the issue at hand.

Vincent, people aren't saying that Mayfox should have their head on a stick. I think everyone unilateral agrees that Akram deserves a security job ban until he can demonstrate competency with how he preforms and behaves, and cuts the constant and consistent baby talking and passive aggressive smugness that does nothing but escalates the situation.

A reminder that Heads of Staff aren't suppose to be ERPing and picking and choosing what to attend to, and when doing such, doing it in a way that's simply infuriating. Again, this isn't trying to get someone slung off the server but they absolutely, unequivocally need at least a security dunk for a bit. The situation where he spent nearly an hour cordoning off the expedition bay, only to realize nobody was going to deal with his complete and utter regulation violations, and then run off to ERP after getting cuffed wasted a ton of time from the expedition team and the members.


Incompetency as a head is absolutely something that's a server rule, and what I believe is being addressed here. The general demeanor of Akram is unfitting of head of security, or any head of a department really, and that is the core of what the complaints are about. I have personally ahelped heads who show utter lack of understanding of the mechanics of what they're suppose to run and they've gotten slapped for it. This is a situation that requires a bit more input, so it can be seen by all.

[ZeroNetAlpha]

Right, So. Let me just throw in my most recent encounter with Commander Akram. Early on in the shift, I'm checking cameras as warden, like one should, and I peek in on the QM's office. Where I happen to see the commander having tea-time with the QM in blacked out windows. Odd, but not really a bad thing, however it does get worse than this. Later on in the round, an incident occurred where a bunch of people were shouting random bullshit over the radio over something like fight milk. Stupid, but not really worth getting into that other than to say it was handled poorly. Instead of simply collecting fines for misuse of radio, Akram decided to try and use the maximum punishment for it and try to get all of the idiots shouting in for a psych eval. The round proceeded to get better when Akram, having at least 3 officers (Rio-Haan, Archan Warg, Jim Sanders) and myself (Tom Lytmon) as warden, decides to motherfucking deputize the quartermaster as a security member and arm them to "help" with a carp outbreak. While carp are a genuine threat to the station, having a near full security department means that you shouldn't have to conscript outside forces into security to deal with it. (As a side note, I singlehandedly killed the 13 carp that were still threatening the station when I went out on patrol with my standard issue E-Gun and shotgun with slugs. I spent only 3 slugs with one being a misfire.) When I asked Akram why they decided to conscript the Quartermaster during a minor incident, I won't even call it an emergency given how easy it was to dispatch the carp, Akram became defensive and hid behind the clause in SOP that says HOS's can induct new members of security during an emergency. (Again, this was not an emergency, just a carp migration of 20 or so. For those of you doing math, Ana Bowchief as a scientist killed 7 of them.) When pressed about the mismanagement of resources, Akram refused to acknowledge that there was anyone else even competent in the security department besides him and myself and that was why he deputized Brock. I had ahelped this incident at the end of the round and from what I understand, Kered2 handled the Adminhelp in the round.

So in short and for the record, I do not believe that the player should be banned, however a job-ban for incompetence is high on the list of things I would like to see done.

In addition, this isn't a matter that should be swept under the rug or dismissed, it's a genuine issue that has been brewing for a bit, we're all just fed up now and tired of it. Please actually handle this instead of just dismissing it.

[A.Echard]

To be curt about it, Akram rubs me the wrong way with how snooty and overbearing he is and attempts to be. I fully believe he should take a break from head roles, at least until he can reign in the negatives of his personality. As Raiq said, the biggest problem is that he's a head with his attitude. One could argue that Akram is breaking Corp Regs with every darling, attempt to command a team to wait for a search, and the escalation that seems to be the usual result when he's involved. Previous posts in this thread have explained it far better than I can post-retail shift, and I don't think it needs much more than a short explanation.

However on the other hand, there's the time required to correct one's own actions. As much as it seems they deserve it, they should at least have a warning first. A heavy 'stop doing this, or play a different role' sort of warning.