Discord - Unknown - Ban appeal for private criticism of an admin.

[Baneicorn]

telling staff to mind their own business when you IC in discord is not a "respectful disagreement". I'm not protecting a friend, I'm telling you that while he didn't handle it well, you managed to make it far worse by continuing in DMs with that attitude instead of taking it to staff forums. so, see ragolution's response in your complaint.

And again, I'll point out that the entire situation could've been avoided by Geemie actually doing his job instead of stepping out of line immediately and issuing a threat instead of a warning. I truly don't care about Ragolution's response, as it was nothing more than an attempt to shame me into feeling like I was in the wrong - I wasn't. If ANYONE had threatened me, admin or not, for an issue that was already being explained to me by other people at that exact moment, I would have told them to butt out.

If said admin had, instead, said 'Hey, don't talk about IC things until the round actually ends, being in the shuttle doesn't count', then that'd've been the end of it - However, he didn't, and it wasn't. Also, you do not state anywhere that issues of this nature should be handled in on of two dozen discord channels that are poorly labeled. If I had known, that would've been my first stop, instead of trying to have a private conversation. Yes, ignorance is a bad excuse, and I will apologize for not making sure I knew all of the rules by heart, but do realize that I've been playing SS13 for a total of 2-and-a-half weeks, all of that time on Citadel, and I haven't caused nor been part of ANY issue before this, so being unsure of the full extent of the rules and how to handle situations like this is at the very least understandable.

Referring me to Ragolution's response is also beyond insulting, ad the entire post was, in essence, intended to insult and degrade me. In fact, that appears to be a recurring issue with the staff that have replied; You're protecting your friend and incentivizing his poor behavior by coming down on someone who has a valid complaint and the elocutive wherewithal to actually put that complaint into writing without insulting anyone - Which is normally something that would be considered a boon in an online community.

[kevinz000]

No one here thought he handled it well, and your complaint is valid. However, the way it's presented both in the DMs and here makes what would be a very valid complaint into a weak one where both sides are at fault. So yes, it's the gist of what me and others have been saying. Sorry if you feel that we're ""protecting our friend"" when we've already said it wasn't handled well.

[Baneicorn]

So why, precisely, come down on me specifically for saying 'Mind your own business' when obviously he handled the situation poorly right out of the gate? If you admit he's partially at fault, then you can admit that the way he handled the situation from the get-go was beyond the pale. I'm not unreasonable, but I am incredibly frustrated. I'm not trying to make this out to be anyone's fault in particular - I know it takes two sides to have an argument, and that I could have comported myself slightly better at the outset of the DM, however I've now been insulted and denigrated multiple times simply for trying to make a complaint about a valid situation.

There has been little to no admission of Geemie's guilt in the scenario; The few mentions there are have been 'Yeah, Geemie handled it badly BUT YOU DID WORSE' is completely ridiculous; I did very little wrong besides try to explain my displeasure with Geemie's actions to him directly, as I feel that disagreements are best handled person-to-person, as long as both sides are capable of remaining respectful despite any anger they may be feeling at the time. I specifically avoided being rude, insulting, or otherwise toxic in my behavior - So that deserves a ban, simply because I wasn't aware of the admin help channel in Discord and its purpose?

My behavior here has zero influence on the situation that happened yesterday; I am rightfully upset and expressing that displeasure on the forums, yet you have now implied that I was rightfully banned.. because of my displeasure at already being banned, after the fact? That's disputable at the very least. What's axiomatic is that Geemie stepped out of line instantly, which you have failed time and time again to acknowledge. So I'll say it again; If Geemie had properly warned me instead of threatening to ban me and kicking me from the start, this situation would never have arisen - Geemie's behavior caused the escalation. I simply allowed myself to become incensed, but still kept my language respectable and clean, whereas Geemie responded to my first of two points (the second was going to be B) If you feel the need to warn me, you should actually do so; Not threaten me with a ban) with another immediate threat, rather than telling me to take my issue to the admin forums as you suggest.

If you expect people to follow your rules, you, yourselves, need to be capable of staying cool-headed in situations that may arise from a misunderstanding - which it seems you, collectively, are not. My anger at being banned in justifiable, and I have not stepped out of line - I've simply expressed myself in the best way I know how. I apologize if you feel I'm being sanctimonious in my anger, but not one of these responses has acknowledged that Geemie was out of line from the start - Your claims of 'both sides' being in the wrong has been consitently tainted by followups of 'but you did worse' - Which, looking at the situation with a cool head, I did not. I did not yell, I did not scream, I did not cuss, I did not insult, I simply brought my complaints about an admin's behavior to him directly in the hopes that he would recognize the fact that threatening a player instead of warning them is not acceptable. Which, sadly, apparently does not appear to be the case, as all of you have defended this behavior with the explicit use of the aforementioned caveat.

[Ragolution]

You're acting like a buffoon, don't expect me or anyone else to hold their tongue on that fact. Your long-winded essays do nothing more than reinforce the fact that you're far more worked up about this than any rational human being should be. And you're being unreasonable if you think anyone's going to read you make the same point six times when you're just saying the same shit over and over.

[Baneicorn]

You're acting like a buffoon, don't expect me or anyone else to hold their tongue on that fact. Your long-winded essays do nothing more than reinforce the fact that you're far more worked up about this than any rational human being should be. And you're being unreasonable if you think anyone's going to read you make the same point six times when you're just saying the same shit over and over.

There's the insults again. Yes, I keep making the same point, but that's because none of you have yet to acknowledge said point - which is valid, by the by. I apologize if you feel my responses are too long, but I am a verbose person and writing is my occupation, so I can tend to go overboard with my responses sometimes.

[Ragolution]

You literally just said "I have done nothing wrong", which nobody so far as agreed with. Unfortunately, you are not able to make the decision on whether or not you have done anything wrong on your own, insofar as that being the whole point of a ban appeal. The validity of your points stop short of your ability to argue that, which is thusfar lacking. Verbosity isn't synonymous with being belittling and dismissive, let alone you telling us what our jobs are and how to do them, and you're not going to win any 'points' by telling us we're wrong and you're right. You can get on my case for being insulting all you want, but I'm not about to sit here and let you bluster through.

[Baneicorn]

I am not being belittling or dismissive, and if you'll look, I specifically went back and edited the part where I said I did nothing wrong, as that was entirely incorrect of me to say. I am not trying to insult anyone, however the brunt of your criticism has been for my behavior - There's been little mention of Geemie's mistakes besides the generic 'both sides' argument that literally every one of you has thrown out.

Yes, it takes two to tango. Yes, I handled the situation poorly. However, I am not the only one that was out of line, and none of my behavior thus far has warranted an outright ban. When an admin steps out of line they invite criticism, which I did. Yes, I should've taken it to the admin forum, but I wasn't aware that it existed, much less its purpose.

I am not discounting my part in the matter; However, I am trying to make clear that you have defended Geemie's actions nonstop, which is the issue at large. If you can't recognize problems caused by your own staff, then what's the point of having an admin complaint forum at all?

[Ragolution]

You clearly missed the part of my own posts where I explicitly said I spoke with Reece and told him he was being stupid. Again I stand by his kick, not the ban. What I'm trying to make deadly clear here is that going this absolutely ham over such a minute issue (discord access is a trifle, to me) isn't making anyone look favorably upon you. I'm glad you can recognize you were at fault in some way, at least.

[geemiesif]

I have been watching this thread for a bit. Ill lift your discord ban. Honestly you need to drink a cold drink of water or something you cant let this kind of stuff get to you. Please reread the rules and check out the different discord channels this time. Im not going to say I was a saint. Just have fun and play nice.