Admin Complaint: Unknown. + Discord (Contains: Shadekin)

[Ray Greyson]

BYOND Name of complaint against: *Unknown Admin*

Your BYOND name: RayllumenGaming

Date of issue and round ID: October 1st, 2018. Around 11:30. Unknown Round ID.

Reason for complaint: I have agreed in assisting a Coder (KFive) with playing out a new Shadekin player race which is going to be a Hard Deny A-La-Proteans. Due to my past involving positive and accepting interaction with the Shadekin despite the stigma I was picked by KFive. They approached me IC as a Shadekin and gave me a choice of either staying normal, or becoming a Shadekin. I agreed with the latter after thinking on it for a while. We talked about how it would work both IC and OOC and I decided to change how my Character, Ray Greyson would act in accordance to this change. I have shared this with multiple friends ICly and they didnt seem to show negativity, Rather positivity. I showed a few admins OOCly and they questioned how it would work and I got together with KFive and discussed about the roleplay matters of our lore as well as Shadekin lore. Until I told one person about this change ICly, Blep-Lep. They were unhappy about it and brought it to Discord, To which I was greeted with being told I was Valid, Traitor, as well as Snowflakey and Bad RP. Both on the public discord and in DM's. Then while in-game, The Admin in question came along and told me that I was being Snowflakey, Told me off about the RP and Empathy thing I do as well as tell me that Ray will go Insane because 'Its my IC!'. They used Voice-In-Head to remain anonymous, Preventing me from seeing it. But I did respond in Pray verbs, Nothing much happened... All I did in this whole situation was agree to be a test monkey essentually.

[areebur]

Holy shit ok Ray
1) You can't turn into a shadekin by hanging around one ok, Shadekins aren't a kind of disease
2) Emoting that someone elses character feels something through empathy is powergamin on an rp level. Its shitty work man, noone likes being told what to feel, esp since its not a game mechanic and some snowflake going 'muh feelings'
3) I was the one that ahelped you, because you're going too far into this shadekin shit. Im like one more outburst away from straightjacketing Ray and declaring him unfit for work with this whole shadekin-kin shit and the suicidal shit.

[StellarWolf]

Holy shit ok Ray
1) You can't turn into a shadekin by hanging around one ok, Shadekins aren't a kind of disease
2) Emoting that someone elses character feels something through empathy is powergamin on an rp level. Its shitty work man, noone likes being told what to feel, esp since its not a game mechanic and some snowflake going 'muh feelings'
3) I was the one that ahelped you, because you're going too far into this shadekin shit. Im like one more outburst away from straightjacketing Ray and declaring him unfit for work with this whole shadekin-kin shit and the suicidal shit.

Let me clear some of your points up with my own little views.

1. Even if they weren't a disease, we have genetically altered people on this server, as well as fallen angels and the one time queen of a flesh planet.

2. Everyone's IC either has depression or some other form of mental disorder. Placing your views on one person is just favoritism at this point. Not to mention that due to point one I mentioned, calling one person a snowflake is a bad thing to even go towards since the server is full of em.

3. Ahelped him for an IC issue that you could have dealt with? Uh, yeah. Good on you. As for straightjacketing someone? Last I checked, you can only do that in the server for suicidal tendencies. Medical (mainly the CMO) has the say to do that when it is something other than violence and suicide. This isn't mental to me. Confusing? Yes. I honestly have no idea what to think of Ray wanting to try this other than wanting to see how it plays out on a roleplay standpoint.

I don't see something like he is wanting to try and do to be a ban-able offense. And honestly, I don't know who could have said the prayer whisper. Let the admins deal with this instead of putting your questionable view mindset on the line...and then go from there.

[areebur]

The problems I have are that even if he did decide to genetically make himself into a shadekin, he's decided to roleplay that 'Im turning into a shadekin because I talked to one a few times'. It's not lore-friendly and doesn't make sense.

I ahelped him because he's breaking RP rules. One of them is to have a believable character. Ray's been RPing in a way that others (not just myself) find annoying to deal with. The only reason I didn't settle this IC yet is because theres no way this would actually happen IC.

I'm not asking him to be banned, I'm just saying that the way he's portraying his characters is against thr rules. A character that has made it a point that he's alive not of his own free will (which is illegal IC), who has said that he's killed himself and was revived several times (which is also illegal and morally wrong) and now wants to portray that he has powers that he can't have (through the fact that it's against the rules and tbh, "you feel guilty because I feel guilty through unwanted telepathy powers that I got from petting a shadekin a few times" is against the rules, annoying to rp and shitty to even think of roleplaying)

And IC it would just be considered that Ray's mentally ill and unable to continue working or possibly dangerous to work with, due to the fact that they can force anyone to feel any emotion, and with Ray's history of depression and multiple suicides, it can be considered that if he goes into one of those states he can potentially cause harm.

Even so, I deal with things that are against the rules OOC first then IC if I get the ok.

I don't want Ray to be deleted off the roster forever, or for rayllum to be banned. But if he doesn't change how he's rping his character those two things might happen.
Then again thats also an empty threat cuz im not an admin or the person to be determining his fate.

Btw, not everyone on station has a mental disorder, nor is it required as a character flaw to make your character believable or good. All it does is make your character annoying to deal with when they decide to go suicidal.

[StellarWolf]

The problems I have are that even if he did decide to genetically make himself into a shadekin, he's decided to roleplay that 'Im turning into a shadekin because I talked to one a few times'. It's not lore-friendly and doesn't make sense.

I ahelped him because he's breaking RP rules. One of them is to have a believable character. Ray's been RPing in a way that others (not just myself) find annoying to deal with. The only reason I didn't settle this IC yet is because theres no way this would actually happen IC.

I'm not asking him to be banned, I'm just saying that the way he's portraying his characters is against thr rules. A character that has made it a point that he's alive not of his own free will (which is illegal IC), who has said that he's killed himself and was revived several times (which is also illegal and morally wrong) and now wants to portray that he has powers that he can't have (through the fact that it's against the rules and tbh, "you feel guilty because I feel guilty through unwanted telepathy powers that I got from petting a shadekin a few times" is against the rules, annoying to rp and shitty to even think of roleplaying)

And IC it would just be considered that Ray's mentally ill and unable to continue working or possibly dangerous to work with, due to the fact that they can force anyone to feel any emotion, and with Ray's history of depression and multiple suicides, it can be considered that if he goes into one of those states he can potentially cause harm.

Even so, I deal with things that are against the rules OOC first then IC if I get the ok.

I don't want Ray to be deleted off the roster forever, or for rayllum to be banned. But if he doesn't change how he's rping his character those two things might happen.
Then again thats also an empty threat cuz im not an admin or the person to be determining his fate.

Btw, not everyone on station has a mental disorder, nor is it required as a character flaw to make your character believable or good. All it does is make your character annoying to deal with when they decide to go suicidal.

Perhaps their is more to this then just "Im turning into a shadekin because I talked to one a few times", perhaps he has something in the sidelines logically to place this into lore based. Maybe he is keeping the real reason secret? The hatred for his IC hope seems to stem from the base hate that shadekin's get as a whole. All of them (Blue-eyed included) get this hate that is unneeded. Now, I'm not saying they are all good. Red-eyed typically are always into bad shenanigans. The other colors, I have no idea. This mainly puts into perspective...what color would you be if this whole thing actually came to fruition? If you plan on being red, the drop the idea altogether and forget it ever happened. Blue? Then hmmm, I would love to see where this goes. I honestly don't see ray being banned from this. It's roleplay. If he makes a great case with the backstory of how he became a shadekin aside from sticking with the whole talking aspect, then I support him. Then again, if one person is making a massive deal out of this, it worries me what the entirety of Citadel will make out of it.

[areebur]

If he really does have some evidence that this is lorebased, I sure dont see it on the lore page. Maybe you can help me by looking for yourself.

Instead of blindly following your friends without finding actual proof of their innocence, maybe you should find claims that back them up instead of just using 'maybe's.

I honestly don't give a shit about shadekins, and my arguement isn't about shadekinds, obviously. It's about what Ray was doing recently. If anything, Ray's actions are putting shadekins in a worse light.

And I'd actually like Rayllem to speak up for himself, not a random bystander.

[StellarWolf]

The reason I am speaking up is not because of friend bases, but because of just straight up attacking on the discord when you could of instead talked to an admin one on one. But instead you cause a scene somewhere that shouldn't even had it. I should know. I have caused scenes like this in the past. You aren't a saint in this complaint. I think this discussion is over since it is already getting heated as is.

[areebur]

I'm not attacking him on the discord, and if you were actually paying attention to my posts, I was the one that ahelped him in the first place. I'm backing up what I ahelped about so you could see what I see in Rayllem's character. I don't know where you're getting the whole 'making a scene' excuse because if you checked, you and I are the only ones thst have commented on this thread. 

And all you've brought to the table were attacks on my point of view, and not actual facts to back up your claims.

[Flynn Flan]

I'm not attacking him on the discord, and if you were actually paying attention to my posts, I was the one that ahelped him in the first place. I'm backing up what I ahelped about so you could see what I see in Rayllem's character. I don't know where you're getting the whole 'making a scene' excuse because if you checked, you and I are the only ones thst have commented on this thread. 

And all you've brought to the table were attacks on my point of view, and not actual facts to back up your claims.

Okay, hows this for facts.

You're completely missing the point of this shadekin fiasco
He was told, by a shadekin, that he was becoming a shadekin
The same player that is coding the shadekin race

He's helping test out a new race, after being directly picked for it by the coder...
You're being daft, and causing fighting with a player because they're doing something they and their friend find fun

You have no say out of character against this
Be a dick all you want IC, but, taking it OOC is not only petty, but, it's borderline metagrudging, if not full on metagrudging

He's done nothing against the rules, and you're just being salty. You need to stop with this shit.
You can't get someone banned for having fun in a way you find annoying. People are allowed to do things you don't like.
Do you see me ahelping because someone is doing some weird fetish shit I don't like?

[areebur]

Flynn, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

I'm saying that all this shadekin stuff isn't supported by the lore or the rules. Also, I'd like you to actually look up what metagrudging is before you fling that term around. Ahelping someone for breaking the rules isn't metagrudging.

And if what he was doing wasn't against the rules, then why did an admin bring it up? I ahelped it in the first place because a different person was having problems with how they were RPing their character.

And he wasn't testing any race out, he was just RPing in a way that broke the rules. These are said rules. And no offence, but K5 doesn't count as a coder since he isn't on the actual dev-team. And Roleplaying as a character with certain powers doesn't count as actually testing a coder-made new race.