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[Snowdragon01]

Close this I don't about the topic anymore. While I don't agree the actions were appropriate theres nothing that breaks a rule here (Besides letting someone without proper radiation gear into a bolted SME chamber come on.)


BYOND Name of complaint against: Kevinz (maybe kevinz01, should be easy to find.)

Your BYOND name: SnowDragon01

Date of issue and round ID: 8/20/2018 14042

 This isn't fun for anyone whether what he did this round was right or not. It shouldn't have been a decision that could be made by him as AI.
When security paroles someone and lets them go that should be the end of it, not have the AI harass them for the rest of their round and destroy it. Constantly jacking up timers, constantly trying to arrest and have borgs chase down, dragging into perma and stripping nude. Even the HoS let me go.

You would think security no longer seeing someone a threat and releasing them would tell the AI they are no longer a threat. If they were a threat they wouldn't have been let out by security.

This type of behavior isn't fun for anyone and shouldn't be allowed. No chance was even given from the AI to get off their hit list. Nope your round has to end now and there is nothing that can be done about it.

Might as well punch someone and end up in perma for 2 hours with this logic.




Anyway's I'll be responding to responses every now again. Kept this short.

[kevinz000]

Good strawman comparing a few punches to continued assault, refusing to stop even after timed arrests, and then shoving them into a sm shard.
You left out half the shit you did. Get out.

[Snowdragon01]

[quote="kevinz000" pid='5053' dateline='1534820901']
Good strawman comparing a few punches to continued assault, refusing to stop even after timed arrests, and then shoving them into a sm shard.
You left out half the shit you did. Get out.
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As mentioned I kept the original post short. This was to keep it from becoming a hard to read bleb.

There's actually no rule that covers this and I was stuck on the old rules. Sigh.
Security has released me, some of the times barely even charged with even the head of security doing so once. Theres no rules saying "The AI can't or can re-arrest" but It would violate the "Don't be a dick rule" if that was still in effect. You can't deny harrassing me the entire round over this is not being a dick.
The entire point I'm getting here was it was just being a jerk for the sake of it and ruining someones round.


I've attacked him Once, because he was trying to get into security to get his traitor gear. I stabbed him twice to give him a warning. He eventually gets his stuff and runs. I beat him, trying to get him unconscious to get back the SME shard extraction kit. Security arrested me, I explain to HoS everything that happened that round and was released by him. I told the HoS I wouldn't harm him again unless he's in engineering. The HoS was also added him to the wanted list.

Literally as soon as I get back to engineering the same guy is about to enter the SME chamber in an active engine in attempt to retrieve a slither. Well the HoS didn't say not to harm him if he's back in engineering.

You, the AI, broke a law 1 violation by letting him in there. Atmospheric hardsuits have 0 protection to radiation. THATS VERY HARMFUL.

This entire round was getting on my nerves (and other peoples as well) and all I wanted to do was make pluxium. Fuck it. He's valid? Oh I'm going to enjoy pushing this asshole into the SME.

The funny part is security isn't the one that even arrested me. The AI and the borgs were. Sec mostly didn't seem to give a shit. Even 15 minute timer was reduced to 5 minutes.

I told you I only wanted to kill him, and I did and was happy about it. I told you I wasn't going to kill anymore but despite that was hellbent on locking me up. Your lucky I wasn't an antag because I would've bombed that shittlelite so hard.

[Improvedname]

Sounds like a ic issue

[kevinz000]

The amount of salt dripping from your post is amazing. Also, >I'm lucky you're not an antag. Also, you're*. Yeah, no, I don't care. I'm following my laws by preventing you from getting your valids on.
I did not break law 1. I warned him of the risk, and he ignored it. It's self-harm at that point.
You continued to harm a crewmember after multiple warnings including arrests to stop.
You showed zero remorse of harming and then finally destroying them via SM shard. I fully believed at the time you were a harmful person that will go out of their way to murder crew for grand theft, which I do not care about unless it directly harms people. Stealing the shard is perfectly safe if the crystal is cooled properly to prevent delamination.
I'm fully justified in trying my best to contain you.
You were a threat.
You were a bigger threat than any antagonist in that round, to me.
You wanted to get your valids so badly, and you got it, and got punished for it by silicons with laws to prevent harm.
I do not care what security did about you, I do not care about space law on crewsimov, and I do not care for that argument. I acted according to my laws and escalated accordingly to contain a harmful threat to crew.
Infact this raises the question of why are you going so much out of your way to validhunt? Even security didn't care. There was no risk in him stealing it, and you treated it like I let him have a nuke or something.
I was not being a jerk for no reason. You were, by being a validhunting cunt. This goes for you and everyone else in that round from my point of view, which is I observed you all causing by far, more damage and harm than all of the antagonists combined.
Suck it the fuck up, dude.

[Snowdragon01]

I wanted to make pluxium the entire round but so much shit was going on and security didn't give a dam about him. How am I supposed to make that when some asshole who doesn't give a shit could break into engineering at any time, even during the hellburn, open the engine and fuck everything up. Blowing up a majority of the station and then I would get blamed for that somehow.
Seriously how. This was my goal the entire round and to keep him from getting those dam tools to do so, which yes you allowed him to get them back but i'm not complaining about that. If I wanted to power hunt everyone I wouldn't have been only focused on the one person trying to break into engineering constantly.
Attacked him once not multiple times like you claimed.
Gave him warning through the entire round to not do the things he's about to do or I will retaliate. Guess what he didn't.
That's rich coming from you considered your basically known for valid hunting.

You did break law one there since you opened the fucking door to it. You don't just unbolt a door for someone to suicide into space, or in this case get irradiated and spread that across the station killing many many people. In fact if you didn't I probably would've just beat hi ass, arrested him and taken the extraction kit. But no, if he doesn't care about his life I can listen to every order he says.


Every part of this was shitty behavior on your part and this post was to call the cunt you are out.
Really dude really, you going to harass someone after even sec lets them go? If they seen me as this murderous person that was a dangerous threat to the station then it would've been perma. It should have never been you decision as AI.








Before anyone claims to
No I don't valid hunt every shift and generally leave antags alone unless they start fucking with me or blowing/killing the station.
No I don't act like that every shift, actually much more chill now than last visit to these forums.

[Improvedname]

Its seems your taking the game to personnaly to the point you might grudge a person for their actions.

Its a game when something happens that wasnt following your expectations its just happen and if sec releases you because they didnt see a threat in you doesnt mean the ai is fine with is considering he saw you harm with law 1 its in its best interest to keep you away from immediate release to think about the actions you done.

[Snowdragon01]

Its seems your taking the game to personnaly to the point you might grudge a person for their actions.

Its a game when something happens that wasnt following your expectations its just happen and if sec releases you because they didnt see a threat in you doesnt mean the ai is fine with is considering he saw you harm with law 1 its in its best interest to keep you away from immediate release to think about the actions you done.

When this topic was first made I didn't realize in the new rules the AI couldnt consider anyone that harmed unharmful. A bit to vague since the AI could perma for a literaly punch.

I don't care what happens to this topic but they were really being a dick. It's always to the extreme with this guy which is annoying.



Also even if someone doesn't care about the help that shouldn't mean you are allowed to open rooms for them that are dangerous.

[kevinz000]

Yes, if you are to me, a persistent threat to crew life while on crewsimov, I will consider permabrigging you without security's explicit permission a valid action, especially when you've been repeatedly harming for the round. You decided to argue with me about laws and harm instead of apologizing for shoving a crewmember into a shard after repeated assault.
Yes, I am known for validhunting. I generally do it when it is necessary (See: when someone is immediately lethal and there is no security, when someone's a threat to the whole station). With that said, keep your ad hom out, as it does not pertain to this case when I tried to stop you from validhunting.
I can very much not have to do everything in my power to prevent a suicide. If he tried to exit with contaminated objects I could have and would bolt him when it became evident. I was fully aware of every risk of stealing the shard, and I decided it was not harmful to anyone but himself as he had no suit.
You are entitled to your opinion if you think I was being a cunt, but regardless, I fully stand by my actions pertaining to you and him, although I should probably be a tiny bit more careful with the radiation, as you are right that I would not have caught it until he was in engineering proper and potentially have radiated on non-suited engineers. Should have made him take off his gear, oh well.
Yes, I will "harass" a dude after security releases them as a silicon if I have sufficient reasoning to.
No, I do not care what security judged you as in this case, as security judgement is not what decides what constitutes a law 1 threat to me.
For future interactions with silicons may I recommend showing actual remorse for repeatedly assaulting and then killing a crewmember, and potentially not doing so!
I will also say it is really funny to see you admit to making a post to call me out for "being a cunt" in your eyes for following my laws and preventing you from getting your valids on. Popcorn where it is due.
All that is needed to be said has been said.

[Snowdragon01]

Whatever next time I'll just adapt to the situation better and get out of the arma 3 mindset where you can't fight back authorities or its a ban. Get a flash, start destroying borgs if they get by me and change its laws if possible.