Head Ban Appeal - Chefferz [RP Server]

[raiq]

BYOND Name: Chefferz
Reason banned: I looked for the exact statement, but couldn't find it. Ultimately it was regarding an "event" that Jade ran that was reacted to poorly by both parties.
Admin who banned: Worgalisk
Length banned: Permanent
Appeal Reason:

Firstly, this was the very first time that I've played HoS. I specifically waited to play HoS until after secret was removed due to the snowflake antags who would run around and treat their roles as an intern with magical abilities, and how outright terrible the antag modes are on virgo code anyway. A permanent headban was extremely heavy handed given that it was my first offense on the RP server, and specifically revolved around an event that Jade had taken over. If you've seen in my complaint, it has always seemed like whenever I have an issue on the RP server, it's -always- a character Jade is playing.

The incident in question was explained on voice to Worgalisk. After discussion from numerous admins it was determined that both sides had operated and acted very poorly, and now that it's been a couple weeks I'd like to be given the chance to actually play HoS, as everything that shift I played was perfectly fine up until the incident with the Centcom officer. I take lead roles seriously, and have up and to this point never touched any head positions on main specifically because I'm waiting to fully learn each department (because the code is annoyingly different than main)

If you want an example of how serious I take it, when I play Quartermaster, I ensure that contraband permits are established for crate ordering, and that anything useful is distributed to appropriate departments, along with manifesting and turning over these items to sec. If you need someone who mains HoS to vouch for this, I can get Merne23 in here for that (Mike Brennan) as they've interacted with me regularly as HoS.

[Zeldazackman]

On the event incident, there were actually two events running side by side that spurred on quite alot of chaos in the round which meant that the one had no understanding of the other in the middle of an already ongoing event.

From one of the events that was already ongoing the asset protection unit/deathsquad renamed was in the bridge to figure out the situation upon the potential blob and leave with the subject's brain in tow after ensuring that company policy was adhered to is as far as I understood that event, the other already ongoing one I couldn't tell.

The previous event causes the brig to start being invaded and attacked which caused the HoS, Ana, to have to go back to the brig and attempt to help out with that situation, when they came back they were killed by the one deathsquad member with a full mag-dump and when they were being resleeved security had decided that asset protection were terrorists holding the heads hostage as they had heard an RPG go off (which was accidental and explained as being accidental within LOOC inside the bridge but people outside couldn't see that LOOC)

All in all based upon what I saw that round, I'd be in approval of this headban being removed.

[Worgilisk]

I still personally remain on the fence regarding this;
You might not be causing as much trouble as before, but more recent events have reinforced my caution in returning permissions to such roles to you.

I'm not going to approve or deny this appeal yet,
That'll either take more time, or convincing, before I make such a choice.

[derkuleen]

i wasnt there for the event but im required to write a response if i want to vote. At the end of hte day jumping to a permaban from never before having a ban isnt right, in my book, so on that reason alone id give your appeal a yes. also getting a ban handed out during an event is kinda meh, dunno why there wasnt more clemency for you when there was an event involved.

tl;dr Yes to appeal

[geemiesif]

I retract my support.

[Sylas]

I dont think the ban should be lifted on grounds that it was supposed to be an outright permanent ban entirely, until I had a long conversation the night of the incident, with Chefferz.

It ended up in me empathizing with them, and feeling bad about my part in the chaos that lead to their outburst, so I spent about half an hour trying to reason the permaban to a perma security ban, which Gorgilisk agreed on the next morning, though applied a head ban in place.

The flat reason why I dont think this should be lifted is because from the start I put myself in Ana's shoes to ease up the punishment. I know for a fact I, myself, would accept the head ban and leave it be and be happy, or at the least, wait longer than ten days before attempting to appeal. Much longer.

[raiq]

Sylas.

Every single time there's an issue on the rp server that blows out of proportion with me, you are a part of it, if not the root/start of it.

The issue that gorgilisk stated was making them uneasy? That was when you blew up after going ssd as the colony director and flipping out when I secured your body in the head of security office. When other officers explained that we were keeping you safe, you started outright threatening your demotions (after yelling at me in looc) all because I simply moved you 7 tiles and wanted to ensure you were *protected*

I only found out that the character was you because I tried to fax CC and you informed me that the CD was you. Blackmajor ended up logging in and I had to give them OOC logs because they missed the earlier bit of the round, and you claimed you couldn't be moved because 'your character is made up of stardust' an incident where you absolutely blew up over a minor issue.

But I'm the one who is suppost to be punished because of one of your events that turned sour? When you've got a reputation for those events to the point you even 'joke' about it in your discord name. I waited two weeks after this incident, and have admins willing to vouch and watch over how I behave as a head. I had one round, and only one round as a head before given this treatment, and if you want me to be perfectly blunt, given how overly hostile you become in head positions yourself I'd go so far as to say you should probably lay off them too.

This entire issue wouldn't have even happened if the event didn't go sour. Read Zeldas explanation and understand it from secs point because what he said was how the security team felt and pretty accurate. If the whole "centcomm" officer thing didn't happen, none of this would even have occurred. I'm being punished ultimately for getting upset at a poorly staged event that got way too salty, way too fast, by almost everyone involved directly. Everyone whom is a regular admin on the rp server has stated that the event was way out of hand, and that alone should have made everything non cannon, honestly.

I have said I'll opt out of your events because me and you do not mix well. You get upset, and I get just as upset when I find out they it's yet again you as the character I have an issue with , it boils over fast. Given that I'm not going to touch heads during events, I think the actual issue will be nipped in the bud with that.

[ZeroNetAlpha]

Personally? I don't want to see this ban lifted. Ana Bowchief, Head of Staff, seems to generate much more salt than Ana Bowchief, Literally anything else. For your own sake, I don't want to see you permanently banned for something else.

[Sylas]

Sylas.

Every single time there's an issue on the rp server that blows out of proportion with me, you are a part of it, if not the root/start of it.

The issue that gorgilisk stated was making them uneasy? That was when you blew up after going ssd as the colony director and flipping out when I secured your body in the head of security office. When other officers explained that we were keeping you safe, you started outright threatening your demotions (after yelling at me in looc) all because I simply moved you 7 tiles and wanted to ensure you were *protected*

I only found out that the character was you because I tried to fax CC and you informed me that the CD was you. Blackmajor ended up logging in and I had to give them OOC logs because they missed the earlier bit of the round, and you claimed you couldn't be moved because 'your character is made up of stardust' an incident where you absolutely blew up over a minor issue.

But I'm the one who is suppost to be punished because of one of your events that turned sour? When you've got a reputation for those events to the point you even 'joke' about it in your discord name. I waited two weeks after this incident, and have admins willing to vouch and watch over how I behave as a head. I had one round, and only one round as a head before given this treatment, and if you want me to be perfectly blunt, given how overly hostile you become in head positions yourself I'd go so far as to say you should probably lay off them too.

This entire issue wouldn't have even happened if the event didn't go sour. Read Zeldas explanation and understand it from secs point because what he said was how the security team felt and pretty accurate. If the whole "centcomm" officer thing didn't happen, none of this would even have occurred. I'm being punished ultimately for getting upset at a poorly staged event that got way too salty, way too fast, by almost everyone involved directly. Everyone whom is a regular admin on the rp server has stated that the event was way out of hand, and that alone should have made everything non cannon, honestly.

I have said I'll opt out of your events because me and you do not mix well. You get upset, and I get just as upset when I find out they it's yet again you as the character I have an issue with , it boils over fast. Given that I'm not going to touch heads during events, I think the actual issue will be nipped in the bud with that.

The only thing I said OOCly was 'I dont appreciate being moved around when I crash' then it was IC from then on.
I never said I was made of stardust. I said I was made of dustlike nanites, that my body structure was fragile.

And it was already ruled that the entire situation between you and I, with the death squad, was IC and you blew up and /made/ it an ooc issue because you couldnt handle being the receiving end of a pulse rifle after promptly mutiny-ing against central command.

You werent punished because 'my event' turned sour. You were punished because you proved you couldnt handle yourself in a stressful scenario.
I didnt even *have* an event. the deathsquad was reactionary in response to, what I believed, was a bus gone wrong.

All in all, you were punished for being an immature individual, for spouting roudn sensitive information over discord MID ROUND, being a toxic person, and shit stirring because you cant handle yourself or others without shrieking over discord about how you were wronged, without a care to see the other side of things.

Your response felt like a spit in the face, considering the only reason you werent permabanned was because I stayed awake after you went crying to me about how scared you were, and I felt bad for you.

I took a leap of faith for you, and I begged gorgilisk to not go through with a /permaban/ of their own decision on you, and had it reduced to this.

You do not need nor deserve to have this ban appealed.

[Polymorph]

Well... given the description of the event(s?) by Zelda, I'm in favour of the appeal on the merits of the event itself. However...

It doesn't sound like the ban was done in response to this event, the event was just a catalyst. I think you do get salty in discord a lot, Ana, but at the same time, lots of people do occasionally. You do, however, seem to both take it and make it personal faster, which is really not a good thing. You take SS13 a tad too seriously, and need to walk away a lot sooner.

With all of that said, my experiences with you haven't been negative, so I'm still for the appeal. Although I do confess, I've never interacted with you in an administrative capacity. I think if you calm down in discord / OOC, it'll be a lot easier.