Kreig's (Ash heatherfolds) Ban appeal.

[KreigsmarineOffizer]

BYOND Name:KreigsmarineOffizier

Reason Banned: https://i.gyazo.com/72ad52ce404bd3c90e9 ... 08a16a.png

Admin who banned oojawa

Length Banned erma.

Appeal Reason: So. Grinko, As an assistant, Chased be and Zeran up into the hotel, with a bat, attempting to club  Zeran to death with said baseball bat, damn near worldlessly, basically playing as security, while not security. I myself, as Ash, had already gotten critted by the HoS's girlfriend, and then brigged for defending myself against them, ending up buckle cuffed.

Seeing this, I had no reason to believe any of us would get fair treatment, seeing as I was already wanted for high theft, since I stole the hand tele as a bit of revenge against the HoS for being adamant shitcurity.

Grinko decided to explain that CC themselves would hear directly about this, and hearing this, after she had attempted to club Zeran to death, we decided fair justice, was fair, and clubbed her, stripped her, and tossed her into space.

As for everything else on this list? Me and Pooj have NOT had a loving relationship in my time playing on citadel. Even to the point where Leon themselves told him to just avoid me, and let other admins handle stuff with me, rather then Pooj, ever since Pooj literally sent an entire ERT team after me when another admin gave me a CC training ID card to train an HoS on a low pop extended round. It didn't end with how it was expected, as the crew rose up, saved me, and killed the ERT, while phoron magically spawned and filled into the chambers, yada yada, you get the jist.

Irregardless. Stating all of this, I disagree with the ban as well as anything else listed upon it from beforehand, seeing as Pooj should have never taken the complaint, due to our -unsavory- history together.

[Poojawa]

This ain't even megagrudge from me for this ban being handed out.

You self-antagged, which is very much against the rules.

11:52:54: Reply PM from-KriegsmarineOffizier/(Ash Heatherfold): We were already wanted for high theft and grand tresspassi, they attempted to murder zaran,(?|F) and when they threatened to inform CC, we found it easier to dispose of them, because god knows why an assistant was chasing after the two pissed of engi's.

You knew you were breaking the law willfully, and that you already had a bone to pick with them even before this all happened.

[03:03:37] KriegsmarineOffizier/(Ash Heatherfold): My lack of fuuuuuuuuuucks
[03:03:06] KriegsmarineOffizier/(Ash Heatherfold): Can't report if your dead~
[03:02:38] KriegsmarineOffizier/(Ash Heatherfold): I reallllllly don't care anymore.
[02:16:36] KriegsmarineOffizier/(Ash Heatherfold): Grinko. I have an offer for you if ya want your scumfuck title. Come to engineering.
[02:15:00] KriegsmarineOffizier/(Ash Heatherfold): Perrmission to introduce Freon to Grinko's prostate?
[02:13:13] KriegsmarineOffizier/(Ash Heatherfold): Perrmission to introduce Freon to Grinko's prostate?
[02:11:16] KriegsmarineOffizier/(Ash Heatherfold): Grinko has no friends.

Oh, and by the way, the reason you got brigged initially is because you decided to RCD wall in someone. Which is more than enough of a cause for brigging.

[nightspark43]

As an involved party, I'll give my two cents, round started, made plans to go to the hotel, Ash walls in the HoS as a prank, doctor starts chasing and clawing Ash, pretty sure Ash went into crit, chased her off, healed Ash.

  Not fifteen minutes later, the HoS has Ash arrested, and bucklecuffed in the brig, whereupon I screwdriver the windows to the cell to piss them off, basic things for the character, got the brig time I deserved.

  Fed up with all that and the meteor storm that spawned, me and Ash RCD into the teleporter and make plans, but Ash wants to do something first, alright, chilling out, RD and Grinko come in, RD keeps trying to drag me out without letting me talk, so I jump through the portal, Grinko follows, without a single word she smacks me with a bat, fight ensues, running around, trying to get the bat off her, throwing plant pots, disarming, get it, she starts the plant throwing, I get fed up again, start throwing tiles, that slows her down enough to let me crit her with the bat.

  I quickly get cable-cuffs, cuff her, and bring her back to full health, then drag her into the hotel cafe and buckle her to a chair, the plan being to keep her there long enough to space the GPS and Tracking Beacon, and send her through, Ash shows up, Grinko starts saying she's going to report us to CC, Zaran, more than pissed off now, makes the one decision that changes everything from a bit of escalated RP, to self-antagging, I told Ash to kill Grinko, he does so, and I grab the tracking beacon and say I need into space, Ash takes this to mean space the body too, which he does, this gets him in trouble and banned.

  I admit, I should never have told Ash to kill Grinko, she was completely helpless, and I could have just got a roller chair and dragged her around as I did what I needed, but I decided to go lethal, and that was bad, I apologize and gladly eat the note that came from this.

[KreigsmarineOffizer]

Literally everything in that quote system before 3, has nothing to do with this. Not a single one. I make jokes in game, a lot. Which is what those were.
I've never had a problem with Grinko before, Nor do I have any feelings about what they did, nor will I after this.

As for my comment to you, yes. I knew full well we were breaking the law, which was an IC response, after being almost murdered, and then promptly arrested, for almost getting murdered! Anyone within their right mind would abandon ship, which is what we tried to do, by going to the hotel, which we had to use the teleporter to do, resulting in grand tresspass, and the hand tele was in case of major emergencies, or shuttle call, to get back, resulting in grand theft. If I was self antagging, I do not see why the heck, I would be trying to get far away from the station, and its inhabitants, as possible, just so I could prevent further incidents, such as almost getting killed, because I made an RCD wall around the HoS for a light giggle, which they didn't have a problem with, yet their girlfriend, decided that was time to start clawing my damn eyes out into crit.

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For an TL;DR version. Got bucklecuffed for shit, semi reasonable arrest, shit bucklecuffing. We tried to dip cause I almost died by vigilante. Another viiglante tried to kill us while we tried to escape, so we killed them even though it was all reasonably justifed and escalated on our end, unreasonably escalated on vigilante's end because assistant and attempted wordless murder of engineers, irregardless of reasoning.

[Poojawa]

I appreciate the candidness, Night. You've been nothing if not straight up with all the information as you saw it and figured out.

So let's get some form of timeline laid out as I understand it.

scuffle betweeen Ash and Kiara, A'lyx overracts.
A'lyx jumps in, crits Ash. Gets arrested for assault.
Ash walls in HoS, it's taken as a lame joke, no worries.
Ash is set to arrest later for B&E of Teleporter/Vandalism of medbay, gets very upset about being buckled cuffed for 2 minutes. Ahelps, Gets out before I even look into it. life goes on. Contacts another admin privately over discord and complains that I'm blowing them off about IC events or something.
Zaran makes light play at breaking Ash out of the brig, also gets time, no worries.
Meteors strike, wreck large portions of the station, both engineers decide fuck it and repeatedly attempt to enter teleporter.
Deliberate or accidental click is the first punch thrown by Ginko, fight escalates via whatever means.
Ginko critted, then as later spaced. Ahelps about the incident. Investigation by me ensues with my asking them why they attacked first.
Ash PM'd. admitted to self-antagging by the murder and said it was justified via IC means, doesn't really elaborate on the context of said means other than the 'Shitcurity is bad' gist for continuing. Due to past history of poor escalation and a complete lack for any care of their actions, was permabanned.
Zaran given a talking to and a warning about it, as there was no prior history of such behavior before.

That about sums it up?

[nightspark43]

I appreciate the candidness, Night. You've been nothing if not straight up with all the information as you saw it and figured out.

So let's get some form of timeline laid out as I understand it.

scuffle betweeen Ash and Kiara, A'lyx overracts.
A'lyx jumps in, crits Ash. Gets arrested for assault.
Ash walls in HoS, it's taken as a lame joke, no worries.
Ash is set to arrest later for B&E of Teleporter/Vandalism of medbay, gets very upset about being buckled cuffed for 2 minutes. Ahelps, Gets out before I even look into it. life goes on. Contacts another admin privately over discord and complains that I'm blowing them off about IC events or something.
Zaran makes light play at breaking Ash out of the brig, also gets time, no worries.
Meteors strike, wreck large portions of the station, both engineers decide fuck it and repeatedly attempt to enter teleporter.
Deliberate or accidental click is the first punch thrown by Ginko, fight escalates via whatever means.
Ginko critted, then as later spaced. Ahelps about the incident. Investigation by me ensues with my asking them why they attacked first.
Ash PM'd. admitted to self-antagging by the murder and said it was justified via IC means, doesn't really elaborate on the context of said means other than the 'Shitcurity is bad' gist for continuing. Due to past history of poor escalation and a complete lack for any care of their actions, was permabanned.
Zaran given a talking to and a warning about it, as there was no prior history of such behavior before.

That about sums it up?

Actually the first event is the walling followed by the attack to crit as far as I know, personally don't know a thing about the Kiara stuff though but I do know that the walling was the catalyst of the attacking, so that might throw me off  bit, and I honestly didn't know the first hit was an accident, probably could have avoided literally everything if I didn't start disarming.

[Improvedname]

I was only involved at the start

Where ash asked the hos if he likes walls then rcded walls around him so he was stuck (as an joke) then the doctor started to attack ash i tried to create peace as third party but doctor kept attacking him so when i pushed her down i pulled ash somewhere safe engineering with some bruise packs then i had to go off to work pretty much

[BlackMajor]

Ay', dropping by, giving me quick two cents.

So, some escalations occurred, a saltmine was produced and a ban ensued.

But why a perma-ban? That seems a bit much for self-antagging and escalation unless they've received a lotta bans for the same thing before.

[cebutris]

They do, in fact, have a long history of self escalation, with many warnings given

[KreigsmarineOffizer]

I can't recall half of any warnings I've been given due to the time I've actually spent on the server, and how long ago its been since I've actually received a warning.

But a permaban, or really any type of ban for this is a bit uncalled for considering it was all escalated ICly, and due to time between any incident with me.

I know for sure I've had problems as security, and what not, but I've certainly worked on those, or other minor things in the past, I really don't think I should be permabanned for this sort of thing in any case of the matter.