[SectoidDan] Brewstone - Main - Silicone Job Ban for Rules Lawyering Crewsimov Law 2

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[SectoidDan] Brewstone - Main - Silicone Job Ban for Rules Lawyering Crewsimov Law 2

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BYOND account and character name:
Brewstone - ARCTIC

Banning admin:
SectoidDan

Ban type/duration (where you are banned from and for how long):
Main - Silicon Job Ban (pAI/AI/Borg) - 2 days

Ban reason:
Banned from AI, Cyborg, pAI - Stretched the definition of a law two order to allow them to inform sec of an antags harmless activities, in bad faith. Tried to rules lawyer around it. If someone orders you not to talk about something, don't talk about it unless ordered to do so or law 1 comes into play.

Your side of the story:
I'm playing round-start borg and choose Sec Borg since there was so few Sec. A crew member comes up to me, drags me to R&D, points at the doors, I open them, drags me to the RD's office, and point at it. I hesitate, since it's a head's office, and ask for confirmation of what they want me to do.

They ask me to open the door and to "Not Tell Anyone". As per Crewsimov law 2, I open the door.

The crew member goes into the RD's office (I did not notice them taking anything), and drags me to the Captain's Quarter's entrance. The crew member asks me to open it the door to the Captain's Quarters. I say "[Crew Member], you want me to open the cap's door?" over general comms. The crew member flees the scene.

Sec asks where I'm at, what's going on, that sort of thing. At this point I volunteer, unprompted, "[Crew member] and I also visited another Head's office".

Shortly thereafter, I get an admin-pm asking if I had broken an order given under law 2. The rest of the round progressed more or less as normal. I was, however, not very calm in the in-round admin PM's.
(Quotes paraphrased)


Why you think you should be unbanned:
My interpretation of the law 2'd order was "Do not tell anyone about opening the door to the RD's office". When I talked with Sec I listed a location we'd been, which, according to my interpretation, was not law 2'd to be a secret, thus following the letter, not the spirit, of the order. Although I cannot find it in the server rules, there is mention in the pAI laws how traditional silicons follow the letter, not the spirit, of their laws, and that also seemed to be the general consensus in Discord.

In addition, there is a section under Silicone policy that states that borgs can choose to follow Space Law moment to moment, and as such, reporting the break in seems like it would be allowed, since reporting it caused no crew harm, nor conflicted with any other laws.

I understand that this is a 2 day ban that's nearly over, but I'm more concerned about having a note on my account for, in my eyes, following my laws. I took my complaints to the Discord server, once in the staff forum channel and once in the SS13 main channel, and seemed to get a mixed bag of answers, so I'd like to get a more clear and specific ruling from the admins.

Thanks!

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Re: [SectoidDan] Brewstone - Main - Silicone Job Ban for Rules Lawyering Crewsimov Law 2

Post by HazelBailey »

Moving to denied since this expired on it's own.

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