RP - Perma Job Ban Appeal for Security

[UltimateNomster]

BYOND Name: xyelgazel

Reason Banned: For ICly not conforming to the manner, conduct, and standards befitting that of a junior officer in a mining and research station on the frontiers of space! [Edit: 4 AM CST, 3/31/2019 - Huh, I see why such a bad first impression was made. I tend to be an over-explainer by nature. I meant this in a cheery sort of way, especially with the exclamation mark in the end. At least, that was supposed to be my intention with the internal voice in my head, but I guess it came off overly specific and sarcastic as a result since people are probably reading it in a different tone. Sorry about that. I'll be more careful from now on like I am here in my apology. I've left the original post as is.]

Admin who banned: Hazel Bailey, I believe.

Length Banned: Technically, the ban was set to be permanent, however, others voiced that it was quite unusual for me to have been banned from security permanently, considering I have never been banned before. As a result, Hailey Bailey stated that she would support me if I appealed a few weeks later, so it would act more like a temporary ban. It has now been a few months since that time due to me being quite busy with real life.

Appeal Reason: I would like to have my characters be able to take on the role of security again. I will play security the way the administrators want me to play as ICly, even if it means my character have to put on a temporary, second face while on-duty. Though, it should not be necessary for most of my characters. I also delineated my reasons in "Length Banned" as well.

[HazelBailey]

So I'm sure it's no secret, but I haven't really been on the server as of late. The caveat with this unban is that you actually had to behave yourself and not cause issues. Since I couldn't really get this info myself, I asked the other admins about how you've acted, both on and off the server. Based on their answers, I cant support an unban at this time.

If I were to make the judgement on the tone of this appeal alone, however. I'd deny it anyway.

[UltimateNomster]

So I'm sure it's no secret, but I haven't really been on the server as of late. The caveat with this unban is that you actually had to behave yourself and not cause issues. Since I couldn't really get this info myself, I asked the other admins about how you've acted, both on and off the server. Based on their answers, I cant support an unban at this time.

If I were to make the judgement on the tone of this appeal alone, however. I'd deny it anyway.

Note: Edited at 1:03 AM CST

Hello!

I am not sure what you mean by the "tone of this appeal". I am not being sarcastic, aggressive, or anything like that. I hope not. I apologize if it came off that way.

Also, the issue is not with me in general but with one of my character in particular. You can ask admins, like Kevinz or Faux , how I am with others characters. I play a wide cast, so it seems unfair for me to be judged on the account of a single character. Even with Toloiken, I tend to only be an IC dick with him with mutual consent with most folks for roleplay purposes, though I had some unfortunate incidents with him that escalated out of control admittedly. However, I find that is mostly due to his overall reputation that is perpetuated by his involvement in predetermined, mutually-agreed-upon non-con scenes. If you like, I can collect a number of individuals who can corroborate with this account.

May I ask what made you shift from your original position here?: https://i.gyazo.com/d384e7ce4f52b999d90 ... 007ec7.png

Because, I find it rather odd that my appeal is being denied, when I have not caused any IC trouble in the past few months. If this is based on other factors like the matter of disagreement with others, particularly admins, in Discord chat, I feel like an IC job ban should not be interceded by those factors. It is not like I troll, rather I argue for what I believe is right. I do not believe that should factor into the lifting of this job ban if that is indeed the case, especially since it does not affect my characters' IC performance.

If that is not the case, can I get further delineation of specific circumstances that have caused you to deviate from your original proposition? I ask, because I can very strongly assure you that it should not be a problem from here on out when it comes to th eIC conduct with my characters in security roles. My personality and that of my characters do not intermix, and I have not gotten into any trouble in SS13 game-wise.

Thanks.

[HazelBailey]

"May I ask what made you shift from your original position here?"

The part where I said "Stay out of trouble". Just recently you were told to stop brewing shitstorms or you'd be given a discord ban. That doesn't sound like staying out of trouble to me.

As for why exactly I dont like the tone in this appeal...

'For ICly not conforming to the manner, conduct, and standards befitting that of a junior officer in a mining and research station on the frontiers of space!'
This to me sounds like you're only going to behave because you're being forced to and not because you actually want to improve.

'others voiced that it was quite unusual for me to have been banned from security permanently, considering I have never been banned before.'
I really don't care what others think unless they can come up with a better reason than "You've never been banned before"

'I will play security the way the administrators want me to play as ICly, even if it means my character have to put on a temporary, second face while on-duty.'
This only furthers my point above on you only following the rules because you're being forced to, and was ultimately what put me against this unban.

[UltimateNomster]

Thank you for responding in a timely manner.

I feel like you are reading me wrong, and I am worried that this is not being treated fairly. Also, if I accidentally offend you in my post, that is the last thing I want to do here. I only seek to get this over with.

As I have stated above in my post above (I did do a quick edit as noted at the top of my first response to you. My apologies if you missed it), you stated that you were going to support my appeal in a few weeks back then as a result of that. I have posted a screenshot of your statement there which is why I stated it in that manner. It was purely to be as informative as possible. I feel like you took the statement in a wrong way, one which I did not intend. My only intention with that statement was to inform people the premise of my appeal.

As far as I understand it, are job bans not made based on the premise that a character is not meeting IC standards on the station? I have many other security characters that have performed decently in the role and are not troublemakers while on-duty. I should note that I do not meta-grudge nor let OOC matters influence my behavior ICly towards individuals. In fact, I play a wide cast of characters, all different from one another, and I have not gotten in trouble on the roleplay server itself for months now either which was the main point in contention.

Note: All of the trouble beforehand was linked to one single character whom I have decided not to play until I reform him from scratch to better suit the server.

Edit: 4 AM CST, 3/31/2019 - Oh, I can see how you interpreted my appeal that way after re-reading it with a degree of separation. That is embarrassing. This is entirely on me for writing it out in my internal voice. I sometimes forget people cannot read my intended tone in text. I'm sorry about that.

[HazelBailey]

Now that you've seen the issue with the tone, I'm willing to cut you a deal. I will lift the ban. However, Toloiken is still going to remain barred from security until you can give me a good reason why he would be rehired as a security officer after breaking NT's regulations multiple times. Does that sound fair to you?

[UltimateNomster]

Now that you've seen the issue with the tone, I'm willing to cut you a deal. I will lift the ban. However, Toloiken is still going to remain barred from security until you can give me a good reason why he would be rehired as a security officer after breaking NT's regulations multiple times. Does that sound fair to you?

Sure, thanks for understanding and for giving me a fair chance. I appreciate that.

I am happy to take that deal. Actually, that was what I had in mind earlier, though I am considering just deleting Toloiken outright to be frank.

Is there anything else?

[HazelBailey]

Nothing that I can think of comes to mind. Just keep in mind if Toloiken is seen as security before the character job ban is actually lifted, it will likely lead to a server perma-ban instead. I'll be on to lift the ban in just a moment, and you should be able to play next round from the time of this post.