Kommakund's Appeal

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Kommakund's Appeal

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BYOND Name: Kommakund

Reason Banned:
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Admin who banned: Jademanique

Length Banned: Perma

Appeal Reason:
Let's start by tackling the ban reason:
"You've been permabanned for being toxic as well as over escalation the past."
I've never been permanently banned.

"You were told to shape up, and you honestly dont seem any better now."
I haven't had a note or warning for toxicity or over-escalation in almost a year now, and my last ban was around the same time as well. This "ban reason" is, from what I presume, out of left field for some sort of grasping at straws.

Let me put context in the situation:

Jademanique does an adminbus. He spawns in a wizard (called the goose) and whoever gets the wizard's hat gets 1 ((modest)) wish. 20-30 minutes of shoot-outs and chases later, the wizard is finally taken down.


The wish from the person? Everyone becomes a non-antag ling.

Jademanique accepts.

Long story short, it obviously doesn't go well. People start dicking around and everybody isn't very happy about the bus.

Where do I fit in? I'm the HoP/Acting Captain. After chasing down the wizard who was disrupting the entire station for most of the round who even managed to kill a few people ("with only defense spells"), and finally taking him down at the same time while meteors are striking the station and the gravity is out, mind you, I decide to call the shuttle (after the ling wish is granted) and it's instantly recalled even though very little people want to stay.

The round drags on and it starts to become boring. The station's mostly fucked and a lot of important people (such as the HoS) were gone or cryoed. People start to complain.
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Jade shuns the criticism off with shitposting.

So as the round continues to go on in it's half-functioning state, there's me, sitting in the bar. Take note of this message. (Notice the once again as well, Jade is repeating it, nobody is listening to him, people continue to dick around as ling)
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A guy walks up to me, stings me, and impersonates me. I give him multiple warnings to stop or I'll take him down. He impersonates me over comms and walks into the bridge to dick around, then when I confront him he reverts back and plays dumb.

Keep in mind: lings can unstun themselves and can escape handcuffs, the usual only plausible ways of capture are killing them or them being so incompetent they don't know how to escape the situation.

So, after dealing with a mediocre adminbus for 30 minutes, meteors, no gravity, etc, (which obviously carries some stress) and me just walking in the bar and some guy walks up and starts to impersonate me, am I justified in killing him, especially due to how hard lings are to capture besides dead?? (it's code blue and he's a changeling with all access)

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Again, he's a ling, it's code blue, the station is still recovering from a shit ton of huge problems, and he has the balls to impersonate the captain and infiltrate the bridge.

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I explain to Jade why I proceeded with my actions. I also question why it would be logical for me to a-help it when the whole shtick was lings fucking around for the rest of the bus. Was it a mis-understanding on my part about the interpretation of what's allowed and what's not for lings and should I have a-helped it? Probably, but the scenario is extremely vague. You have lings, who have antag powers themselves, and then you ask them NOT to do antag objectives. Stuff like stinging and other abilities weren't elaborated on and seemed like a grey area and just added on to the mass confusion of the round, without even factoring the stress and weight of being pretty much a lone head of a wrecked ship.

After about a few minutes or so without any response from Jade to my questions, points, concerns, etc. , I ask for one.

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After this Jade says (again) the same exact thing, though nobody bothers to listen and he doesn't bother to enforce. This time though, it's less vague after the fact.

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Which brings us full circle to the ban reason.

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I haven't been even warned for these two rules for months, why is it a perma-ban even if it was a justifiable ban?

For the toxicity part, was the swearing un-necessary? Sure, but you could probably see where I'm coming from after witch-hunting a wizard for 30 minutes while meteors hit the ship. I get a little bit of down-time and some random guy comes and makes a big issue for security (as a ling, mind you one of the most powerful antags in the game) I never made ANY toxic comments towards Jade in the a-help though. The whole mood of the round and everybody playing was stressed out and nobody wanted to keep going with the adminbus and Jade childly rubbed it off with "deal with it" and instantly recalling the shuttle with the response of just "No."

The escalation? Like I said before. If I tase, he adrenalines back up. If I cuff, he gets out of the cuffs. There's no way to go about this situation in a good way, especially since he impersonated me with presumably all access (the acting captain) and barged into the bridge with malicious intentions on a blue shift right after everything is in shambles. What way was I supposed to go about that?

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Echoing what I said in adminbus:
This is to me an ic issue.
There's self antagging and then there's shooting two dangerous aliens for abusing their powers without removing them from the round.
They've shown to be uncooperative I don't see why shooting them a few times with no permanent loss because it would be nearly impossible to arrest them if they chose to resist.
Personally I'd like to see an attempt made by you and security to arrest them but this is not a permaban issue, or even a ban issue at this point.
Not every issue is to be met with a ban and valid kills do happen without the need for a ban. This is why everyone is too scared to fight at all in extended. I'm not saying I want chaos and all hell to break loose but if you set the stage for conflict are you really surprised that conflict happened?

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Lots of words, and Im super distracted. Ill bullet my arguments and what I feel should happen in response to the appeal.

- Wizard never killed anyone intetionally or directly on their own, at most were two deaths caused by an EMP forcing panic siphon in dorms, which I ahealed and fixed right away.

- You were the first person, and only person, to bring lethals into the mix. People even complained about it, but I let it continue. You honestly should have relaxed a little, in my opinion. The wizard's job was to literally run circles around people and keep their hat on their head.

- I force recalled the shuttle because you immediately went to call it not even five minutes after you failed to secure the valid, yourself. The person that did, didnt even get to experience their wish at all, because I was still in the middle of setting it up.

- Immediately Im seeing you complaining about the entire thing only now, when before you had no issue with the event, and were all for chasing a harmless memetag down to try and secure the reward for yourself.

- You really shouldnt be trying to use lethals on people because of the possibility of them being able to avoid arrest. You never even made an attempt to arrest, from what I saw, in the bar wherein I caught you using lethals on idle bargoers.


I think I covered everything, save for the mention of a previous permaban.
Im told youve never been permabanned before, but I swear on my life I recall you being permabanned for murderboning-self antagging with a gygax during extended a while back, and throwing a tantrum in ooc and then over discord after being banned.

I support a ban reduction, but I dont think you should be unbanned outright, due to the fact you have a history of being a toxic player.

I'll let other staff decide on how much of a reduction, if that's the verdict.
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"Lots of words, and Im super distracted. Ill bullet my arguments and what I feel should happen in response to the appeal."
So what you're saying is you didn't bother to read the appeal? Then why are you making a judgement?

"- Wizard never killed anyone intetionally or directly on their own, at most were two deaths caused by an EMP forcing panic siphon in dorms, which I ahealed and fixed right away."
He still killed them, intentional or not.

"- You were the first person, and only person, to bring lethals into the mix. People even complained about it, but I let it continue. You honestly should have relaxed a little, in my opinion. The wizard's job was to literally run circles around people and keep their hat on their head."
When the wizard is killing people am I not allowed to attack? Plus what does this have to do with the ban or events that took place lol.

"- I force recalled the shuttle because you immediately went to call it not even five minutes after you failed to secure the valid, yourself. The person that did, didnt even get to experience their wish at all, because I was still in the middle of setting it up."
Ah yes, I only called the shuttle because I didn't get the valid. And not because there was no gravity, there was big ass holes in the ship, the HoS was cryoed and nobody wanted to be there anymore, especially after everybody become a ling.

With the wish in the first place: Didn't you say to keep it modest when the event first started? What did you think would happen when you gave EVERYONE ling? Shit broke out almost immediately.

"- Immediately Im seeing you complaining about the entire thing only now, when before you had no issue with the event, and were all for chasing a harmless memetag down to try and secure the reward for yourself."
Straight up lie on your part. I said in a-help that it was a bad wish and I was talking to others in LOOC about how I didn't like the event. I wasn't trying to secure the reward anyhow, I was trying to take down the (((wizard))) who was fucking with the station.

"- You really shouldnt be trying to use lethals on people because of the possibility of them being able to avoid arrest. You never even made an attempt to arrest, from what I saw, in the bar wherein I caught you using lethals on idle bargoers."
This is a valid point but how else am I supposed to take him down? Anyhow shooting a bar-goer once on accident wouldn't even be that harmful especially since the medbay is literally right there.

"Im told youve never been permabanned before, but I swear on my life I recall you being permabanned for murderboning-self antagging with a gygax during extended a while back, and throwing a tantrum in ooc and then over discord after being banned."
Never been perma-banned. Never "threw a tantrum".

"I support a ban reduction, but I dont think you should be banned outright, due to the fact you have a history of being a toxic player."
...except the situation really had nothing to do with toxicity.
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I'd recommend being less snarky about it. I'm willing to be devil's advocate but I'm not going to allow a flame war.

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I'd recommend being less snarky about it. I'm willing to be devil's advocate but I'm not going to allow a flame war.
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Apologies if I come off as snarky, just trying to present my point of view.

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Ban should probably be a week instead of perma but that's my opinion.

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Perma is overkill.

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Ban appeal approved; following discussion, it's been agreed upon to reduce your ban to a week instead of being permanent.
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