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BYOND account and character name: Pireamaineach — Feliks Albrecht, Sasha Semyanov, Bip.

Banning admin: mouseofthecake

Ban type/duration (where you are banned from and for how long): Both a weekban from R.P. and permanent sec and headbans. Only appealing the sec and headbans.

Ban reason: As Sasha Semyanov, warden, stole the spare, made themselves captain, promoted an intern to C.M.O., stole several head gear items, and argued that they did so to "stir up interesting conflict." No way in hell would I suggest unbanning them from command and sec positions. This is also a weekban.

Your side of the story: When the shift began, we only had two crewmembers. I promptly got the spare to work on the engine. As I'm not used to vorecode S.M.s, I don't get far before an engineer shows up and I throw in the towel. Here's where I should've put up the spare, but I didn't. Since we had no medical staff, our intern was out of luck as he couldn't get into medical. I decided to promote him but thought it would be funny to promote him to C.M.O. I, personally, see no harm in doing so, and interpreted it as just hazing the intern. From there, I headed back to sec, and stole 2 things from the H.O.S. (His under, I think it's the parade one, and his energy gun.) This's vaguely when people in character decided to do something and started plotting to arrest me. (Completely valid, in my opinion how it should've been handled in almost it's entirety, spare perhaps a note.) During the ahelp I'm arrested but banned before I can be brigged.

Why you think you should be unbanned: I don't think that I should've kept the spare, I think it should've immediately gone back, but I also don't think that should've been bannable. I think that stealing the H.O.S.'s equipment validates a note, as a pattern of that behaviour becomes exceedingly annoying for nearly everyone involved, and should become punishable with repetition, which wasn't present here. I think that promoting the new crew member to C.M.O. was inadvisable in character though also negligible and ultimately just fun (in my opinion) character interaction. I won't contest the weekban, but I think permanent punishment for a situation where nobody was upset and nobody was hurt, is excessive. Someone in character even faxed CentComm about it, and I think a much more advisable use of admin powers to handle I.C. trouble makers should be to send it CentComm officials. As far as declaring myself the captain, that simply isn't true. Yes, I had captain access, but I very much still considered myself the Warden. I never stated that I did any of this to "stir up interesting conflict," or that's not that I meant to say, anyway. The point that I was trying to make was that, when anytime something like this happens, it's immediately met with O.O.C. enforcement, it strips the game of what makes it interesting. Now, had I ended up fighting back and killing people for trying to arrest me, there'd be an argument for a ban, but that isn't what happened, nor was it ever my intent.

Since you're not contesting the week-ban, but the job bans; we issue job-bans when we are absolutely sure a player doesn't have the capacity to play said jobs. If this was enforced ICly, it'd still carry the same OOC repercussions. You quite literally broke almost every single rule and guideline on how not to act as either a security or command staffer, and I have absolutely no faith that you won't do it again given the chance.

From 'creating conflict to make the round interesting', to promoting an intern to a head, to stealing several powerful items for no reason. Acceptable behavior in other spessmen servers? Maybe. Something we tolerate in the RP server, a place which was created /solely to keep conflict at bay/? Of course not.

If you can demonstrate that you've shed that LRP mindset in a few months, we might consider lifting the perma, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I'll wait for other admins to give their opinion on this before concluding.

I remember last year you were also really bad about breaking into areas on RP. You also notes upon notes for similar behavior on main. As unacceptable as it is on main, it's even less acceptable on RP. I am not in favor of lifting this at this moment

I've seen the exchange between the banning admin and yourself, the direct quote from you was that "we need interesting conflict to have an engaging shift." Don't lie, please. Furthermore, as already stated, this is a HRP server, not a server where you can just wander about and steal random things because you think it'd be fun. I'm not in favour of lifting this, personally.

Kered wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:45 pm

I've seen the exchange between the banning admin and yourself, the direct quote from you was that "we need interesting conflict to have an engaging shift." Don't lie, please. Furthermore, as already stated, this is a HRP server, not a server where you can just wander about and steal random things because you think it'd be fun. I'm not in favour of lifting this, personally.

As I stated, that's not what I was meaning to imply. I'm not saying I didn't say that I'm elaborating on what I meant.

Mouse is basically just rehashing the ban reason and I see no reason why it justifies any further response.

I don't think it's exactly valid to cite my main behaviour and your own memories from nearly a year ago.

Dude, if you haven't played on RP in a year, and then come back and start doing the exact same thing, then yes, it is valid to cite my memories from a year ago of you doing exactly what caught you the ban.

General consensus seems to be no. Try to understand how to better adhere to RP's environment, and apply again in a few months.