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Banning admin rago
Time banned 21 days
Reason Moping floors to which they seen no blood at. Entrances only.

I print myself two mops from the service protolathe on delta. The station had many blood trails all over the place. Right around the botany area there was a long streak of blood that I followed and cleaned to cargo. There were many droplots of blood in the cargo area as well.
Shuttle arrives and I goto shuttle. Theres blood droplets everywhere in the shuttle. I start from the middle of the room and worked my way into the two side rooms. This is where I was sent to admin prison and told that I was not mopping blood and was lieing.
If I remember correctly I was also told that was no blood was cleaned at all.

Maybe the admin didnt see the tiny drops of blood since they are very small to begin with. I will also point out the station had blood everywhere and people were bleeding so its not that far of a stretch to think any got in there.

Now I will point out that maybe it wasnt the best choice to use advanced mops as a drone and sorry that wont be done again. But I will stand my ground in saying all of that I moped if not then most was blood. This was not moping the entrances only to slip people.

well this can't exactly be proved either way but this is indisputably a drone law violation regardless of whether there was blood or not so i dunno why you're appealing?

I didnt know a mop would count as a drone violation my bad.
Im asking for an appeal since now I know it is, to say it wasnt to slip people at entrances, and to ask if the ban could be lifted since it wont be done again.
Its a fun role, I learned to not do that, simple as that.

how in the world could you not realize mopping the EMERGENCY SHUTTLE would interfere with non-drones?

Simple, not thinking.

I literally watched you with my eyes. You're either accusing me of lying or just being blind, and considering the fact that you were reported for mopping doorways near CARGO, I really can't vouch for you in any measure. At the very least I appreciate you diverting your effort to the forums, rather than PMs or other mediums.

Hi, I'm an admin that witnessed that shit go down.

You were going out of your way to mop clean tiles. Me and Rago both witnessed you mop 100% clean tiles. Then you aggressively denied that fact in admin-PMs, breaking the rule of "Don't lie to admins" on top of breaking your laws. You were not trying to clean the droplets, you were trying to put water on clean tiles.

You can't pull the "there were tiny blood droplets" excuse right after being called out on how "there were bloodtrails everywhere and i was trying to clean those" was bullshit. Most of the tiles you mopped were 100% clean.

Your jobban had to be escalated to a server ban due to how you took to harassing Ragolution after he placed the jobban. That leaves nothing but a bitter taste in your appeal, sorry, man.

Death ride, Your response is false the tiles I moped were not clean and they had blood on them. I did not aggressively deny him nor give insults in game. I simply stated that no you seen it wrong those tiles were bloody. Thats it. Speaking of being agressive the admin rago was rude from the start and honestly it was hard to not get in an argument or be rude back. It's something I've seen from a few other admins and it needs to be worked on.
After the drone ban I followed up on this incident thinking maybe explaining exactly what I did would help. Apparently not. I wouldn't call this harassing the admin especially since they didn't say stop only "I had enough of this" right before the ban.
There were blood trails though the entire station and blood drooplits scattered throughout them. You know that trail dragging a body leaves? Yeah that with tiny droplets on tiles leading off of that going into their own direction. They can coexist near each other. An example (Delta station) would be the hallway to the right of the kitchen area, the one that comes off the main hallway loop and leaves to arrivals. There was a blood trail on the top of the main hallway loop, from theCargo area to botany and down, while the kitchen hall that leads to arrivals had droplets on it and so did a few places in cargo. [ When I say tail I mean the style you get from dragging bodies, droplets for bleeding shortly in a tile.]
The shuttle had bleeding people, leaving blood droplets all over it. Bleeding people on station - Shuttle arrives - Bleeding people leave blood drops on the shuttle. Its not that insane of a story and is a easily believable one.

But thats enough of the blood talk. Please post evidence of this happening. If blood and cleaning is logged post evidence. If not it's just two sides yelling at each other.


Regardless of everything stated above I will not use mops again as a drone. Only non slippery cleaning tools like soap and space cleaner. I have learned my lesson, no more mops.

Just sorry. The goal here was not to grief people in any way or form it was to clean the blood off of the floors but I did so with the wrong tool. Maybe you seen something I didn't and maybe I did clean some bloodless floors, I don't think I did but maybe there were some misclicks or something. You can't deny that the station that day was one of the bloodiest its been in a while.

I'm only here to have fun and play with others. If I really wanted to slip people there are far better ghost roles like the golem or even friendly ash lizard. Even borgs can slip. The majority of my play style if often to build things or improve the station in some way sometimes with whacky ideas not to slip people and troll. When there's a goal my minds focused on I will do whatever I can outside of breaking the rules and self antag to complete it. I wanted to clean, there was a time constraint so my heads thinking ok there are bleeding people lets go to the shuttle and mop after them at least it will be clean.

I was hoping to convince someone that this wasn't on purpose and that it wouldn't be done again. The point of a ban is to punish those who don't learn and to make them learn not punish someone who is willing to admit they did wrong and wants to change their behavior.

The last time I'll say it I did not notice myself cleaning any blood tiles and the intention wasn't to grief. Please post a reply with evidence if you feel I did otherwise or this really has little weight.

As for rago just work on your attitude please. When you start an admin help with a bad attitude it's going to be hard for most people to not match that or give a worse one. Honestly I was kinda passive that adminhelp, no insults and just holding my ground. As for the harassment it wasn't really harassment.  I just wanted to explain the situation further, which the admin help will prove if posted and you didn't say drop it so yeah.

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Ragolution wrote: I literally watched you with my eyes. You're either accusing me of lying or just being blind, and considering the fact that you were reported for mopping doorways near CARGO, I really can't vouch for you in any measure. At the very least I appreciate you diverting your effort to the forums, rather than PMs or other mediums.

What did the report say?

I usually have respect or at least patience for people that can admit they've done wrong and reflect on their actions.

Where is your eye witness? Your accounts to prove your innocence? You alibi? Did anyone notice you cleaning up blood in those two specific spots? What about at the entrance to the shuttle itself? We're not the ones appealing the ban and PLENTY of people saw it. It's your account not only against ours, but against other, non-admins- players, the ones who opened the report tickets. I, nor any admin here, has any obligation to humor your attitude, considering you yourself have zero proof and are constantly playing the victim card. You have two eyewitnesses who are claiming you are lying, both of which are Admins. The only reason you were server-banned in the first place is because you continued to press the matter over adminhelps after I closed and rejected your tickets, and that is not what is being appealed, here. You have titled this thread "21 day drone ban appeal" so I will thank you to stay on-topic to the matter at hand and not deviate to other punishments, unless you wish this to be an appeal for both.

I waited to bwoink you, when the ticket came up, watched your movement and cleaning patterns, what you mopped and where. I planned on leaving you alone if you weren't simply following people and slipping them, but not only did you slip numerous people, intentionally or not, you stopped to mop key points that would ensure multiple people would be pushed into the tiles and slip. You mopped near the shuttle entrance, then near the shuttle's cargo door, then under the feet of the detective. You slipped numerous people and mopped bare tiles with no blood on them, despite your rabid claim to the contrary. You have nobody to back you up, no contrary proof, and your obsessive denial is very unbecoming. Just as Kenzie said, even if you were mopping blood, which you have no proof of, you would be violating your laws in any measure.

You are either guilty of malevolence or negligence in interpretation of the drone laws, and no matter which, both are grounds for the same kind of ban.

I have no stake- I have no investment. I thought us to at least have rapport before this ban was issued, and, so far as I am aware, I have some record of credibility. I have no reason to lie. I do not enjoy banning people, and I seriously do not enjoy being jerked around by someone who thinks lying to my face will get me to unban them.

You have nothing to back up your argument other than "Prove it." and "I didn't." and those arguments don't hold up in a court of law when two eyewitnesses say you did.